Chapter 10 – What does Scripture say about the Beginning of the Universe
GALAXIES For Intelligently Designed Minds (NOT For ‘Standard’ Model DUMMIES)
The Beginning according to Scripture
TOM: Are you nuts? Where do you go to get your ideas? What authority do you have to question Einstein’s findings? How could you even begin to understand the advanced ways in which distances in the universe are calculated?
TIM: You have hinted before where I get the authority for my ideas. I have the authority of Scripture and I get it from Scripture itself.
TOM: You are nuts! However, the really insane thing is not that you are a religious nut but that I come all the way here and keep listening to your stories and taking notes hoping that you would have some interesting ideas to contribute or something remotely associated with true science that I could share with my colleagues, but to not avail.
TINA: Let’s discuss the connection between your views and Scripture. Could you explain where in Scripture are references to your ideas or where are these things described or mentioned?
TIM: Some are mentioned and almost described right at the beginning of both, the Old and the New Testaments.
TINA: Where in the New Testament are they mentioned?
TIM: In the gospel of John. There are other references implied or suggested. In any case, Scripture is not meant to be a science book, or a repository for current theories, but a record of events that happened throughout a few thousand years to different peoples. Most of the information found in Scripture is specific, verifiable, accurate and reliable. Unlike many historical records of antiquity, the record of Scripture is not tainted by political, social or even religious bias, although this statement could be contested and opposed. The people who recorded and preserved the scriptures were for the most part highly trained to do their jobs and above all treated those records as sacred and containing great portions of God’s Word.
TINA: Isn't it considered that all of it is God’s Word?
TIM: Not everything in Scripture is meant to be a prophecy or a direct message from God, as many records are of a more practical nature. Many of the historical facts recorded, while true, are not necessarily meant for others to imitate or follow, but rather a testimony of human nature. Much of the historical facts just show that even some of the ‘best’ people made terrible mistakes and horrible things.
The impartiality and accuracy of the Records of Scripture
TINA: Still Scripture tells about those deeds and doesn’t try to gloss over them, even when it might cast on a bad light some of the most admired people in it.
TIM: Yep. The inclusion in Scripture of even its greatest heroes’ misdeeds, failings and outright ‘sins’ testify to the high degree of integrity and impartiality in it. For example, the books of prophecy record many messages against powerful social figures, high priests, kings and the Tribes of the nation of Israel and even includes the retaliatory measures those parties took against the prophets for giving those messages. Scripture constantly testifies of the good and the bad that took place and the actions of individuals and peoples without partiality, even towards its own heroes to a level not matched by other historical records. Regarding its accuracy, archeologists constantly discover evidence corroborating what had been written thousands of years ago.
TOM: Your assessment of Scripture is highly prejudiced and don’t try to say that there are scientific records in those stories written thousands of years ago by ignorant people.
TIM: The records of Creation, for example, were delivered by Moses. I am sure those were based primarily on the oral traditions of the Hebrew people before him who had preserved them zealously. In addition, Moses was a highly educated individual, as Scripture records, educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptian people in the House of Pharaoh, which at the time was one of the most developed, if not the most developed civilization in the middle east. Those among the Hebrew people, who had believed in the God of Abraham had kept and guarded their history, their records and their beliefs scrupulously as their duty to God. An example of their attention to detail in describing events faithfully is the carefully drawn genealogies of their people, their origins and even the genealogies of other peoples and nations. I dare you to trace your genealogy and origins a few thousand years back in history, unless you are also a descendant of Abraham.
TOM: Who are you to attempt to lecture other people?
TIM: I am not talking about myself, but I am stating a historical fact of the accuracy and impartiality of Scripture throughout both, the Old and New Testaments. That’s what we are discussing.
TINA: Can we then talk about the possible scientific clues found in Scripture and in which way they relate or could relate to our main subject, please?
Although Saint John’s Aim wasn't to retell the Record of Creation, he expanded the Record given by Moses to explain Jesus’ role in it
TIM: To begin with, we can find a lot of scientific clues and information about the creation of Earth and the stars, as described in the first chapter of the Book of Genesis, in the Old Testament. We discussed this last year. It is possible also to find related explanations in the first chapter of John, in the New Testament. John in his gospel picked up, complemented it and expanded Moses’ explanation from the first chapters of Genesis.
TINA: Is that why he also started his first chapter by saying “In the beginning’, as Moses did?
TIM: It seems sure that John purposely used those words to clarify that he was offering a further explanation to the introduction offered by Moses and introducing Jesus to the scene of Creation. Although by doing so, he would have probably offended many Hebrew scholars that considered John a fake and a follower of a fake and aberrant school of thought and belief, which later became known as Christianity. Genesis starts by stating, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth”. Then, John purposely expanded the explanation and introduced the role that Jesus, the Word of God, had in Creation.
TINA: John said, “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God”. He is saying that the Two, God and God’s Word, aka Jesus, are One.
TIM: Yes, they are Two but they are also One. Just as you are you, but your words are also you. For example, I could learn a lot about people without them saying anything, but by just watching their actions and the things they do!
TINA: This is similar as learning about God just by watching His creation.
TIM: Yes. However, just like when individuals add their words to express their thoughts, feelings, plans and ideas, we can understand them more fully and better. I can understand you better when I listen to your ideas and to what you say. Your words and you are two different things or expressions of you but at the same time, they are one: you. Words are very important, and that’s why God kept sending prophets and messengers to tell people His Words.
TINA: Obviously, as we can understand and know others better through their words, we can also understand God deeper through His words, and not only through His actions.
TINA: So, you were saying that if we combine the records from Genesis and from Saint John’s Gospel we could get a more complete understanding of the main and different practical steps taken by God during Creation.
The Creation of Space, Mass and the Beginning of Time
TIM: Yes. According to what we have discussed last year, a brief timeline of the Genesis, plus the added information found in John’s Gospel, the explanation of Creation would be something like the following. God was the ‘Firstest’ one, and in fact, He was before there was any time, as He is timeless or what it is usually translated as eternal. By God, we mean God the Father, His Word -The Son- and the Spirit. Then, it says that God created empty space, what scripture calls ‘the heavens’, and we have said that He did that before there was any mass, gravitational balance, or time in it.
TINA: Yea, that’s what we discussed. You first make the necessary space, where later you will place your ‘creations’, and that’s what God did.
TIM: We concluded that therefore, at the very beginning, there was a huge empty space but there was nothing in it, no mass or time yet. It says, “In the beginning God created the heavens…” the space and as that’s the very first thing created.
TINA: There wasn’t any of what Einstein’s called the space-time, because God hadn’t created any time yet, so, there was only space, only ‘the heavens’, which were still empty.
TIM: And we suggested that “the heavens” had some boundary or limit or what I call a skin encircling the empty space. In other words, God created and delimited the space the heavens would occupy by encircling it on what I assume to be a huge bubble, like the skin of the universe. Then, Genesis explains that the Earth was created after the heavens, after the empty space was there.
TINA: Scripture doesn’t say that God ‘created’ time, so, we deduce that time wasn't created but was generated by the things He created.
TIM: There was no time right at the beginning until the Earth begun to rotate, what must have put the infant universe partially in motion. Therefore, at the very beginning there was first space, the empty space of the whole universe and then the earth. At that point, the whole universe was empty, except for the earth and there was no light whatsoever. Then, God commanded ‘Let there be Light’ and there was Light and that caused to be a day, in the side of the earth in which the Light was shining and night in the other side. That’s when time appears, as it says that “And the evening and the morning were the first day” (Genesis 1: 5). That was the beginning of time after God had created both, space and then the earth.
When Earth started to rotate, it generated Earth’s Time
TINA: Scripture says that space was created, and so was the earth, and other things, but it never says that time was created, because time wasn’t created by God, but generated by His creation. You have suggested that time is generated by the interactions of mass in a given space, so the interactions of mass in a space generated not only a bubble of energy around the earth’s space and its mass, but also time for the bubble of the earth, as it started to rotate.
TIM: The Earth started to rotate after Light was introduced to the scene. We suggested that when the Light was turned on, it caused the waters that covered the Earth to start to heat and evaporate and steam was produced…
TINA: …creating a sort of turbine effect that caused the Earth to rotate and time to be generated. Then, it says that it was the first day!
TIM: When it says “…the evening and the morning were the first day”, it mentions the evening before the morning because at the very beginning there was no Light, so, the first part of the first day was dark as at night. After God introduced the Light, then there was the first morning in one side of the earth.
TINA: And we discussed that that Light wasn’t the light of the sun, moon and stars, which were created later, on the fourth day.
TIM: Yes. That was The Light, and not the light of celestial bodies. The Light and the heat and vapor it produced caused the earth to rotate and time begun. Possibly, the first day only had chalked up about twelve hours of rotation and not twenty-four as during the first ‘evening and night’ the earth wasn’t rotating yet.
TINA: No problem with me, as long as it rotates now. Was the Light and the heat and vapor which caused the earth to rotate or there were other processes involved in it?
TIM: The bubbles concept assumes that the interactions of a given space and the mass present in it generate a bubble of energy. Therefore, the heat and steam were only part of the process, but the parts we can discover in Scripture. For the earth to rotate and not to be propelled like a rocket throughout the nearby space, it would have had to be encased on a closed system, which I presume to be like a bubble.
TINA: Then, in the few following days and up to almost the fourth day, the earth’s environment was made, including the division of the waters and dry land, animals and other creatures, and the trees and herbs.
TIM: However, there was neither light of the sun yet, nor of the stars, so the nights must have been very dark until the stars were created on the fourth day. Before the sun, moon and stars took over the energy department, possibly that Light, was keeping things bright and cheery on the dayside of the earth, so that the plants and herbs and animals and other creatures wouldn’t be in pitch-dark 24 hours a day.
TINA: According to Scripture, when the earth started to rotate it generated and turned on the bubble of energy of the earth, the engine of the earth, and its time, but the rest of space was completely empty and devoid of mass and time. Probably, the rotation of the earth generated the necessary electromagnetism that translated into the actual sphere or bubble of energy around it.
TIM: Yes and the rest of the empty space, the huge big bubble of the universe was empty until the fourth day, when God created the Sun and the stars. In other words, as He added mass throughout the rest of space, the interactions of that added mass and their spaces would have generated the different bubbles of energy throughout the universe, the galaxies and the whole works. Those would have also started to rotate and would have generated their times, and internal and external gravitational balance and the whole clockwork of the universe.
God created the Man and the Woman in His own Image
TINA: And when all that was ready, finally God created human life.
TIM: Human life was created last, when everything was ready, tidy and neatly organized. When everything was prepared as for a banquet and great party, then God made people on the sixth day at a time when nature was completely unpolluted and working at its best.
TINA: As if humankind were the guests of honor, for whom everything was prepared and served in advance.
TOM: That’s the old legend about humankind being some special creation of your God and not just one more event or link in the evolutionary chain. Why would have God waited to create humankind last, after everything else was created, as if humans were any special thing, or as if they were his assumed children?
TINA: That’s what most couples have done for millennia all over the world. In fact, those who can afford it still do, Tom. New couples usually first want to have some kind of home and they like to prepare their home before having any children. What’s so strange about that?
TIM: Scripture says that God created humans in His own Image. Now, God is not made of the dust of the earth as our bodies are made, so obviously, when it says that He created us in His image, it wasn't referring to our bodies but to our spirits and perhaps our minds. Today, many people are not familiar with the concept of the human spirit, but they call it by other terms, such as consciousness, or conscience and perhaps personality and character. Some of those words really refer to the human mind but others to the human spirit, which the evolutionary narrative cannot really explain where it came from or even comprehend.
TINA: Of course, it would be very difficult to understand where something came from, when they don’t even know what the something is, or when they deny that such a thing exist.
TIM: Yep, although some people just go ahead and try to explain spiritual things in chemical terms, which is actually a contradiction, because only material things are made of physical things or chemical elements, but not spiritual things. In addition, while even our thoughts and brain activity are recorded chemically in the brain, thoughts are not chemical reactions.
TINA: That’s not completely clear. What do you mean?
TIM: For example, a computer records information electromagnetically. However, the information recorded is not an electromagnetic action. The information you record in your laptop, although recorded electromagnetically, mostly originates externally to the laptop. You input the information.
TINA: Why did you say ‘mostly’?
TIM: The laptop is designed and programmed to process and combines some of the info you input. For example, if you type in an app, ‘1+1=…’ and you press the enter key, the computer app might fill the answer as ‘2’. Then, even the app that process that info has been designed externally to the laptop. The information is originally generated by an agent external to the laptop.
TINA: I see. However, all of the chemicals found in our bodies are found also in the earth, isn’t it? That’s why the food we need to live on earth comes from the dust of the earth and the Earth.
TIM: Yes. Obviously, when it says that He created us in His own Image, it doesn’t refer to our bodies made of chemicals and which die, like in ‘from dust you came and to dust you will go’, but to our spirits and psyche that are eternal, like God is.
TINA: So, God’s last creation was when He ‘created man in His own image’. However, the body of the man was made of the dust or elements of the earth. Is that why when they look for other planets where we could live, they need to check whether certain elements are found there too?
TIM: The elements are part of the mass of the other planet. However, they should also to check the space where that planet is located, as they need to check whether the space-mass of that planet is suitable for our type of life and not only the mass.
TINA: If a planet had all the elements necessary for our kind of life, but were too close either to a star or too far from it, it might be too cold or too hot for us. Alternatively, if we could move the Earth to where Mercury is, possibly it wouldn't be an optimal place for us to live there.
God’s Masterstroke of Creation
TIM: Yes. However, the very last touch to His Creation was when God created a woman, and obviously, He had saved the very best for the very end and last! Everything had to be ready and in tip-top condition before the woman entered the scene in Genesis. Everything was prepared for her. It is true though that he made the woman’s from the original body of the man, so that they would get the point right from the very beginning that they were supposed to be one flesh again, especially the man, who was a witness of the fact that she was taken from him, in the first place. Perhaps, he needed the reminder.
TINA: Why wasn’t the woman a witness that they should be together? Why didn’t she need to see that?
TIM: Maybe God knew that women would know this intuitively, or He made them to know this, that men and women should stick together, as women are sensitive and intelligent; but apparently, it was the thicker guy that needed the lesson. So first, he had to be alone for a while and slowly realize, ‘Hey this place is great, so beautiful, but I wish I wouldn’t feel sort of lonely! All the other creatures seem to have a physical companion and partner, but here I am all alone. I wonder if there would be any solution to this problem, I don’t know why I feel a little lost!’, as my old teacher used to explain.
TINA: Then, God knew the guy was getting there, that he was starting to get the point!
TIM: So, while Adam slept, God created the woman, brought her to the stage of creation and presented her to him. When the man woke up from his dream and saw her, he would have thought, ‘Am I still dreaming or has my dream come true?’ Maybe that’s why since then, men are always dreaming of finding and looking for their dream companion.
Light existed before there was any Darkness
TINA: Ha! However, did Light exist before darkness, or was darkness made before light? Because at the very beginning there was darkness and there was no light.
TIM: John says that in the beginning there was God and the Word, before there was any darkness. Then John equals the Word with the Light when he writes, “In Him was life and the life was the light of men…” (John 1: 4) and “That was the true Light that lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him not” (John 1: 9 and 10).
TINA: John equals the Word, Jesus, with Life and with Light. So, Light was before darkness. However, why does Moses’ description of creation, in Genesis, mentions darkness before the Light.
TIM: That doesn’t mean that darkness existed before Light. It just means that in the creation of the physical universe, Light was introduced a little after the creation of the Earth and the surrounding empty and void space. As the Light wasn't turned on yet, the creation was in darkness. In other words, the stage of creation was dark, like in a theater, and then ‘voila’, God said, “Let there be light and there was Light”, the Light came onto stage. However, Light have been in existence since the beginning, before darkness, as John clearly states and clarifies in his first sentences that in the ‘beginning’ God and the Word (the Light) were one.
TINA: In other words, in the beginning, or first, there was God and the Light, no darkness there. Of course the word beginning implies somehow a concept of time, isn’t it?
TIM: Yes. What it means there though, is that ‘before there was anything created in the material realm’, God Is; that is God and His Light Is before there was any space, or darkness, or the Earth, or time, or any physical or material thing.
TINA: And in the first chapter of John is where it says that even when Light shines in darkness, still darkness cannot comprehend Light.
TIM: Right, it says it in the first chapter of the gospel of John. Darkness cannot get it! Darkness cannot become enlightened by Light, no matter how much Light there is or how pure that Light is. Darkness neither can't comprehend Light, nor get it, nor trap it. So, when some people and scientists claim that black holes can trap light, it shows that those people don’t get it, either.
TINA: But black holes do trap light, or don’t they?
TIM: We could discuss what happens to the energy and light that enters a black hole when we discuss the engine of a spiral galaxy.
Where was the Spirit of God during Creation?
TINA: Why didn’t John mention that the Spirit was also present at Creation?
TIM: The Holy Spirit was there in the beginning too, although John doesn’t introduce the Holy Spirit in that first sentence yet. He does speak about the Holy Spirit a lot, further down his writings, including in the first chapter of his gospel.
TINA: Did Moses mention the Spirit being present in creation?
TIM: Interestingly enough, although John didn’t mention the Spirit of God in his gospel until a number of verses later, Moses mentioned the Spirit right at the end of the second sentence or verse of Genesis. He said, “... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”.
TINA: Obviously, the Spirit of God, was also part of the beginning also.
TIM: Moses mentioned the Light in the third verse of his first chapter (of Genesis): “And God said, let there be light, and there was light”.
TINA: So, in Genesis, Moses introduces God, and then the Spirit and finally the Light. The light he mentions must be Jesus, as at that time there were no stars or any other source of light, yet.
TIM: Yep! The Three were there at the very beginning, in the opening scene of Genesis, as well as in the record of John.
TINA: And why was the Spirit moving upon the face of the waters? Do you see any purpose for that?
TIM: Well, yes. We just mentioned that the earth didn’t start to rotate until the Light appeared and caused the waters to start to evaporate. Then, streams of vapor would have caused a turbine effect helping the earth to start to rotate. In addition, while one side of the earth was warming up fast because of the intense Light, the other was utterly cold which would have had a greater impact and effect on helping to jumpstart the rotation of the earth.
TIM: The thermal imbalance between the side that had Light and the one in darkness would have been greater than at any other time, as subsequently the earth was rotating daily and the thermal difference would have been less pronounced.
TINA: So, that greater imbalance could have also helped to jumpstart the turbine effect.
TINA: I didn’t get why the Spirit was upon the face of the water, though.
TIM: We are getting there. Until the earth started to rotate, the earth would neither have had its own bubble of energy, nor an atmosphere, nor any gravitational balance yet. Therefore, probably the Spirit was hovering upon the face of the waters to prevent the waters or anything else from flying out or falling into space.
TINA: Do you mean that the Spirit was holding things together in the meantime, holding up the baby earth?
TIM: Something like that.
Further Details about Creation according to Scripture
TINA: From a scriptural point of view, we quoted the description of Genesis, of how God created the earth, which initially was static, covered by waters, and surrounded by darkness, while at the same time also all of the space of the universe was in darkness and empty. Then in the next step, Light, perhaps with capital L was introduced to the scene and we speculated that the intense Light, which didn’t proceed from any celestial body, as there were not any other celestial bodies at that stage according to the description, caused the waters to start to evaporate.
TIM: Yes. We speculated that the Light didn’t come from every direction although it must have travelled without any hindrance, as space was empty. However, Light would have been invisible while moving through space as space was empty. However, the Light must have been placed to the ‘east’ of the earth, as the introduction of Light to the scene produced Night and Day.
TINA: So, the Light could have been neither north nor south of the earth, nor its light could have come from every direction, as the CMBR is assumed to come, as its effect on earth was to generate night and day.
TIM: Yes. We use the ‘east’ convention to explain the phenomenon, although in reality planets don’t seem to have and electromagnetic east or west polarity. Our concept of east is generated by the presence of our sun, an external source to the bubble of the earth, rather than by an internal reason.
TINA: However, the convention is a useful way to refer to the directions where the sun raises or sets over the horizon.
TIM: Yes. The original Light must have been placed in a position close to or in line with the equatorial plane of the earth, at least for some time and until the sun and the other stars were created on the fourth day.
TINA: Them we assumed that the gradual and partial evaporation of the water eventually created an effect on Earth similar to a turbine being put into motion by jets of steam.
TIM: The appearing of Light would have had quite an influence on temperatures as before there wasn’t any light and the waters on the earth would have been extremely cold. The abrupt change of temperature in one side of the earth, plus the evaporation of water generating steam and jets of steam could have propelled the earth to start turning on its axis.
TINA: You posit that would have generated the Earth’s bubble of energy, and time and gravitational balance within the bubble.
TIM: Yes. When we say that it generated its bubble of energy, we refer to the electromagnetic fields and all the forms of energy that are generated by the rotation of the earth. Those different types of energy would have produced an electromagnetic field around the earth. The turbine effect of such big system would have generated a lot of energy.
TINA: And before the Light appeared, the earth was covered with waters. Even now about 70 percent or more of the earth’s surface is covered with waters, but at that time, it was completely covered by it.
There must have been a lot of Nitrogen above the Waters that covered the Earth
TIM: Yes, there was no dry land yet. There should have been also a substantial amount of nitrogen above the waters, which most probably would have been invisible, possible also liquid and extremely cold. Nitrogen doesn’t mix easily with other elements unless at higher temperatures. So it is probable that it never mixed with other elements present at such low temperature, but once the earth warmed up and started rotating, generating an electromagnetic bubble around it and water started to evaporate most of that nitrogen escaped into it and then mixed with oxygen. Our atmosphere is almost 80 percent nitrogen and most of the rest is oxygen.
TINA: Do you think that the evaporation of the nitrogen could have also helped the initial rotation of the earth?
TIM: It is possible. In any case, nitrogen at very low temperatures could be used to preserve organic matter and it is possible that the nitrogen around the waters would have somehow preserved a certain pristine state of the elements, in a sort of cryogenic or cryonic state and preventing them from interacting too much.
TINA: Your views make sense in the frame of the explanation offered in Scripture and on what is observed.
TIM: In addition, although Genesis records that before that “the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep” it is possible that God had made sure that the earth that He created ‘without form’ would have been favorably designed to make later use of the turbine effect. In other words, he would have made sure that the formless earth was exactly was it was needed to get its rotation started and time and gravitational balance generated.
TINA: Surely, He must have had an intelligent purpose and reason for the ‘without form’ shape and phase.
TIM: What Genesis refers to by stating that it was without form is that many of the distinctive features we know the earth to have since then weren’t present yet. Finally, according to our interpretation of the passage, time appeared as a consequence of the rotation of the Earth, as it adds after all those events took place that “that was the evening and the morning of the first day”, the first mention of earthly time in Scripture.
Probably the Big Bubble God originally created to house the Universe’s empty Space –‘the Heavens’- is like a Clock’s Casing and is still there
TINA: I have a question related to what we were discussing about the rotation of the earth generating its bubble of energy, and then its time, and its gravitational balance. You said that at the very beginning when God created the heavens or empty big space within the big bubble that He would have created to contain the empty space. However, that couldn’t have been an electromagnetic bubble as there was no mass to generate any bubble, yet.
TIM: Yes. According to Scripture, when God created the heavens, it was empty and massless space. There was no mass in it that could have generated the container or bubble of the universe. Obviously, the original ‘big bubble’ or skin of the universe wouldn’t be like other bubbles of energy. Therefore, whether the universe’s bubble was rotating or not, apparently, at the beginning it didn’t generate any time. Maybe the universal time is not generated by its own rotation, but by the rotation of the stuff inside it.
TINA: Do you propose that the big bubble of the universe wouldn't be part of the engine, but just its container, not part of the clock of the universe, but only its casing?
TIM: Perhaps. Then, after creating the universe’s bubble, He promptly added the earth but that couldn’t have been enough of a mass to either generate or maintain the big bubble of the universe. That must be the reason why Scripture clarifies that the heavens and therefore its container were created and not generated.
TINA: It says that in the beginning, God created the heavens, but it doesn’t say that He created time, gravity or other bubbles of energy because all those would have been generated by the interactions and movement of the mass, which He created in the following days and placed in different locations through the big space.
TIM: It is very possible that the original created bubble of the universe is still in operation, acting as the skin of the whole universe. Some people could argue that following the logic of our assumptions since then and by now, the sum of the mass present in the universe could have replaced the original bubble; but there are reasons to believe that isn’t the case.
TIM: Because that bubble, which we called the ‘big bubble’, is no ordinary bubble of energy. In other words, that bubble is not just separating one electromagnetic bubble of energy from another one, from the other ones, or from outer space, but it is containing and separating the whole universe from ‘the other side of the big bubble’, which is either nothing, or God knows what it is. We could assume that after the ‘edge of the universe’, wherever that is, there is a completely different dimension, which is not physical or made of mass and or space.
‘Creatio ex nihilo’ vs. ‘Standard’ Model’s ‘Explosio ex Singularitatem’
TOM: I find your attempt to explain science from Scripture laughable and less than intelligent.
TINA: Going back to the big bubble, it seems logical, although we couldn’t explain what there is in the other side of it, because if there would be any extra mass and space in the other side of the edge of the universe, it wouldn’t be the edge or the end of the universe, at all. Obviously, at the other side there should be something completely different and unknown.
TIM: One thing seems sure, whatever that bubble is and whatever it is in the other side, the big bubble wasn’t generated by the mass of the universe, as it was created before there was anything else or any mass in it. Probably is still a type of unique bubble as it would still have completely different properties than normal bubbles of energy and probably it wouldn't be rotating against any outer space.
TINA: So, what makes the big bubble completely different from all the other bubbles throughout the universe is that the others were generated by the interactions and movement of space and mass, but the first big bubble was created by God out of nothing and without any mass, matter or energy being present previously or generating it. That was when He created the heavens, or what it is called space, where He intended to place the whole universe.
TOM: Dream on, as if the universe could be created out of nothing, as in the mythical ‘creatio ex nihilo’, or creation out of nothing!
TINA: I consider ‘creatio ex nihilo’ by an all-powerful Agent infinitely more intelligent than the ‘Standard’ Model ‘explosio ex singularitatem’, as in ‘a tiny dumb dot singularity exploded’ and out came a universe. Even ‘Standard’ thought turns around and tries to attribute intelligence to ‘Mother Evolution’ to avoid looking dumb by claiming that extremely intelligent organization is the product of dumb accidents.