Chapter 2 – Advanced Design: the Trojan Belts and the Prow and Stern of Jupiter
GALAXIES For Intelligently Designed Minds (NOT For ‘Standard’ Model DUMMIES)
The Prow and Stern of Jupiter: Influence and beneficial Roles of the Trojan Belts
TIM: Yep. It would take great courage and conviction to defy the establishment and to risk losing its support. Back to the belts! I also consider very interesting the presence of the Trojan belts moving along the orbit of the giant Jupiter, one in front and one behind it. Those belts don’t make a complete ring around the orbit but just precede and follow the Giant while moving along its orbit, jointly covering almost half the circumference of Jupiter’s orbit.
TINA: Why would those partial Trojan belts be so interesting? “Aren’t they just ‘Standard’ leftover junk that in addition didn’t get to expand and cover the whole orbit? Those are complete failed junk leftovers”, if you would ask any self-respecting ‘Standard’ devotee!
TIM: Ha! Let’s not ask them.
TINA: So, why would they be so interesting?
TIM: Because the one moving in front of Jupiter would sort of open gently the way for the Giant to navigate through space, sort of like the prow of a ship opening the way for it with a minimum of resistance, and at the same time compressing somehow the inner asteroid belt. The prow thus formed would be constantly realigning the inner asteroid belt in front of Jupiter’s path and pushing and piling fragments further away down the belt to balance the soon coming mass and volume of Jupiter.
TINA: I see. In most ships and vessels, the pointed prow opens the way for the vessel and eliminates part of the resistance of the water. However, some barges or even ships whose prows are broader and wider encounter greater resistance from the water and cause a bigger shock wave in front of it.
TIM: Right! In the same way, the Trojan belt placed in front of Jupiter’s extremely wide path, would smooth the incoming gravitational influence of the giant planet, and reduce the effect of the waves of its gravitational impact. As we mentioned, the thing is about 300 times more massive than Earth and its volume is 1300 times bigger!
TINA: What about the Trojan belt moving behind Jupiter? What would its purpose be?
TIM: In the same way, the Trojan belt placed behind in the giant planet’s orbit, would help the gravitational changes produced by the planet’s departure from an area to be more gradual and not to upset suddenly the gravitational balance. Both sets of Trojans could also slow down the speed of the Giant, which in fact moves slowly and carefully, as all giant should, not to crash everything on their paths. That said, although Jupiter advances at not an accelerated rate, it spins very fast, apparently the fastest of all planets in the solar system.
TINA: Could the fast spinning compensate for the slower speed of progression along its orbit? It is interesting that while progressing slowly in its orbit, yet spins the fastest of them all.
TIM: The action of the rotation in fact, could help to clear some of the fragments in the asteroid belt from their position in front of the Giant to a position in the rear, thus also balancing the advance of the planet. That is, if the rotation of the planet and the rotation of its magnetosphere are in fact, felt in the external areas surrounding the advancing planet. In addition, rotation could generate part of the celestial body’s gravitational balance and for sure, lots of its needed electromagnetism.
TINA: So, one of the sets of Trojans is like a prow to HMS Jupiter and the other like the stern of it.
TIM: Yes, in my view. They are usually called the Greek and Trojan asteroid belts, but they are like the Prow and stern of HMS Jupiter.
Jupiter’s Magnetosphere is the single biggest Object perceived in the Solar System
TINA: It would be interesting to know more about whether there is any data to corroborate or check that possibility!
TIM: Maybe those things have already been studied and maybe it is known whether there is a relationship, or there is none. What a pity Tom is not here to update us about any details related to this!
TINA: From your perspective and from all the discussed different possible reasons for their existence, the presence of the belts and their influence wouldn’t be any dumb leftover fragments or failed planet formation, but a very necessary part of the solar system’s gravitational balance, engine and structure. Specifically, the vilified fragments of the Trojan belts would be instrumental in helping to balance and minimize the gravitational influence of the giant Jupiter, as it advances in its orbit around the sun.
TIM: You are right!
TINA: In other words, if those fragments would have accreted or would have supposedly been slapped together to form a planet at the expense of the belts, as the ‘Standard’ Model seems to have expected, Jupiter would have lost important elements of its gravitational balance and navigation.
TIM: Yep. There is more to their amazing role in the solar system!
TINA: Looking at a diagram and artists’ conceptions of the planets and their orbits and the different belts, it seems that the Trojans have a sort of triangular shape in which the base of each of the two triangles, the vertices, is closer to Jupiter and the pointed ends or apex are away from Jupiter. This would fit your description and suggestion of what one of their possible functions is, being the prow and stern of the giant planet.
TIM: You are right!
TINA: However, the area covered by the triangles’ bases is much wider than the actual diameter of Jupiter, although Jupiter is huge. In your opinion, why would this be necessary if the Trojans are in fact a sort of prow and stern to Jupiter? Why the prow or the stern would have to be so much wider than the actual center body of the ship, so to speak?
TIM: Good observation! The bases of the triangles of the Trojans spread in a much wider path than the diameter of Jupiter, so why is this necessary, I don't know. However, it is interesting that the magnetosphere of Jupiter is considered to have a diameter about 100 times bigger than Jupiter’s diameter; in fact, its magnetosphere is the biggest object with definite boundaries within the solar system. So, perhaps the wide prow and stern of Jupiter are meant to also protect the magnetosphere of the planet, or to ease its gravitational influence in the solar system and not only Jupiter and its atmosphere. Although Jupiter is 1300 times bigger than earth, huge, the diameter’s Giant is still about only one percent of its own magnetosphere.
TINA: Is the magnetosphere an object or a magnetic field?
TIM: It’s probably considered to be both, as it is made of tiny charged particles but its main effect is apparently not physical but electromagnetic. However, it is practically invisible, and not like a planet or moon, or like the rings of Saturn that can be seen. Still, it has well-defined boundaries, which interact with the solar wind, which often compresses it and causes it to become more active or charged. The magnetosphere is something quite like what we have discussed last year about planets having bubbles of energy around them.
TINA: I remember the discussion about that possibility. So, the magnetosphere is practically invisible but it interacts with the solar wind, which activates it, much like what you have suggested about bubbles of energy?
TIM: Yes, the solar wind increases its activation and while the magnetosphere actually protects Jupiter’s atmosphere from the solar wind, which otherwise would be stripped or greatly diminished, it could be that the interaction of the solar wind and the magnetosphere doubles also as a source of some type of energy.
Why does Jupiter have such a huge Magnetosphere?
TINA: Does the earth have a magnetosphere such as Jupiter has?
TIM: Yes, but it is not anywhere as massive as Jupiter’s, which is probably many times stronger than earth’s.
TINA: But the solar wind couldn’t be stronger on Jupiter’s orbit than what it is on earth’s orbit, which is five times closer to the sun, isn’t it? Why does Jupiter need such a huge and powerful magnetosphere?
TIM: Good point, Tina. Unless the solar wind has a greater effect on Jupiter, as it is mostly a gaseous planet with lots of hydrogen and helium. It would also be very interesting to analyze and study that. Where is Tom and why he hasn’t reached here yet?
TINA: Yea. Maybe he could answer some of these questions, or have some good ideas. In any case, apparently the solar wind has a very strong influence on Jupiter. Do you think that the solar wind interacts not only with the magnetosphere and the atmosphere but also with the planet itself? I say this because you said that the solar wind could have a stronger effect on Jupiter’s Hydrogen and Helium, but those are considered to be part of the actual planet, isn’t it?
TIM: Obviously, the solar wind interacts first with the magnetosphere, but I am sure its influence is felt pass it and reaches the atmosphere and maybe the planet itself. Still the magnetosphere seems to protect the atmosphere and the planet from its harmful effects and perhaps helps to generate some of the beneficial ones. Maybe we can return to this subject after we have discussed some other necessary points. Whatever the reason, Jupiter seems to be pounded by waves of solar wind, which flattens its magnetosphere.
TINA: So, the magnetosphere could be related to what we have discussed last year about bubbles of energy. You proposed that most celestial bodies, and groups of them, such as planets, solar systems, galaxies, and clusters of galaxies, etc., would have like a spherical electromagnetic skin or bubble of energy that would envelop and protect those systems.
TIM: We discussed that it is probable that celestial bodies, the solar system and other mechanisms and engines across the universe have electromagnetic skins, like bubbles and we named them ‘bubbles of energy’. We could go back to the discussion of bubbles of energy when we talk about the concept of the space-time and about gravitational balance again and then we can see whether we have anything to add to the magnetosphere discussion. In any case, while the magnetosphere could be a sample of something similar or like a bubble of energy, I believe bubbles of energy are different phenomena from magnetospheres.
The Trojan Belts and Jupiter move together around the Sun forming an Arc that extends almost half the Orbit of the Giant Planet around the Sun
TIM: There is another interesting fact about Jupiter and the Trojan belts tandem. Specifically, how the full extent of the sum of them reaches almost half of the orbit of Jupiter moving together around the sun. We have mentioned that this could help to realign and push together and out of Jupiter’s path the fragments of the inner asteroid belt probably in a way that could benefit the gravitational balance of the system; either physically or electromagnetically or both.
TINA: Considered as a group, the size and magnitude of Jupiter plus the Trojan belts is humongous, half of Jupiter’s orbit around the sun. Are they moving around the sun together? In mean, do they keep that array at all times or sometimes the planet gets ahead or behind the Trojans?
TIM: They move around together and keep their relative positions to each other, as they are sharing the same orbit. The other interesting thing I wanted to mention is that their heavy-sided physical and electromagnetic array in the orbit could be instrumental in the transfer, or resetting of electromagnetic fields within the inner regions of the solar system, the area where the terrestrial planets are.
TINA: I don’t get that last point. What do you mean?
TIM: We have talked about how the engines of clocks and watches work. If you have ever seen the interior of a self-winding watch, it could help to understand what I mean.
TINA: Do you mean those self-winding wristwatches, which have a sort of half-circled shaped piece attached to its center that when the wearer moves its arm it causes the half circle to rotate and produce a self-winding effect?
TIM: You got it! In the case of the watch, the half-circled shaped piece causes a tightening of certain springs that eventually provide push or pull as the springs unwind.
Do Jupiter and its Trojan Belts reset the free Space of the Solar System’s ‘Hard Disc’?
TINA: How would the Trojan belts and Jupiter do that, when they are not attached to any springs nor are connected to the Sun?
TIM: They are not attached physically or visibly to the center or the solar system, but Jupiter being the biggest planet in the system plus its Trojan belts that extend for half of its orbit would have a powerful electromagnetic link to the center of the solar system. They would exert a powerful influence generating an electromagnetic sweep across the inner part of the solar system, probably modifying or resetting the energy charges of the system.
TINA: I see. They are connected electromagnetically to the center of the system.
TIM: In addition, while Jupiter and the Trojans span almost half the circle of Jupiter’s orbit around the sun, which is huge, the Trojans will also be moving along the side of the inner asteroid belt that does make a full circle. The interaction between those two sets of iron rich belts, the Trojans and the Asteroid Belt proper, could generate extra electromagnetism that could further alter the magnetic fields of the inner space of the solar system.
TINA: Is there any reason why that extra source of energy would be needed, anyway?
Why would be necessary and beneficial for the electromagnetic Map of the inner solar System to be reset periodically?
TIM: Yes, Jupiter’s magnetosphere is part of its electromagnetic field and it is very powerful. As mentioned, I believe that the sweep of the combined electromagnetic fields’ of Jupiter and the Trojan belts, rotating around the inner asteroid belt could contribute to resetting the electromagnetic balance of the inner solar system, and not just be a source of electromagnetism.
TINA: I see.
TIM: The action could be similar to the re-writing or wiping of a computer’s hard disk, turning all bits back to one, or to zero. The idea is that as the half circle electromagnetic field created by Jupiter and the Trojan belts sweeps the area it encompasses, it would modify, reverse, or somehow re-align the electromagnetic fields of that area, which would somehow contribute to maintain the electromagnetic and ‘gravitational’ balance of the solar system. That would mean that at any given point of the inner solar system, the electromagnetic fields would be reset every 11 or 12 years, as Jupiter completes one orbit around the sun. Perhaps, the Trojans in front of Jupiter could reset the electromagnetic fields to ‘1’ and the ones behind the planet would reset them back to ‘0’.
TINA: Why would be important to reset the electromagnetic fields of the solar system?
TIM: One of the reasons for that is that electromagnetism plays an important role in the gravitational balance of the solar system and other systems. Especially, it plays an important role in maintaining the distribution of celestial bodies, their navigation and their staying on course within the disc of the solar system, following their orbits. However, the electromagnetic map of the solar system and in this case of the inner solar system would be regularly modified by the movement of the planets and other celestial bodies moving around the sun and by the solar wind, thus a periodic resetting of the electromagnetic map to its original status might be necessary and beneficial. We would discuss this in more detail when we talk about the way the engine of spiral galaxies work and how electromagnetism is involved in their gravitational balance and navigation system.
One of the dearest Dreams of the ‘Standard’ Model wiped electromagnetically
TINA: Do you mean that planets, moons and even the solar wind could change the electromagnetic map of the solar system, but Jupiter and its Trojan Belts could reset it back to let’s say, all zeros?
TIM: Yep. That’s what I mean, something like that! Of course, if that were the case, it would upset one of the dearest dreams of ‘Standard’ Model cosmology.
TINA: Specifically, it would accept which of their many dear dreams?
TIM: It would upset the dream about hoping to be able to see or understand the origin of the universe by ‘reading’ different kinds of waves that assumedly were generated billions of years ago. For example, one of their greatest dreams is that by analyzing the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR), they will see the origin of the universe.
TINA: However, those different waves exist and they have been perceived, isn’t it?
TIM: The universe, as the oceans on earth, is full of real waves. The ‘Standard’ dream is that those waves would be the same ones that were assumedly generated 13 billion years ago, in the supposed expansion or one of their imagined events.
TINA: Do you mean that it would be as if some religious people would search and claim to have found the waves caused by the waters of Noah’s flood?
TIM: Yea, something like that. The universe, just like the oceans is generating new waves all the time, by the movement of clusters of galaxies, galaxies, solar systems, planets, moons and those new waves erase or distort the old ones. However and apparently, the ‘Standard’ Model views the universe and its waves as electromagnetically static. We will talk more about this, hopefully soon.
TINA: Cool. It seems we have so many things to discuss and analyze. We have discussed a few of the amazing benefits for the existence of the asteroid belt and the Trojan belts. Are there any other possible beneficial and necessary functions the belts might be accomplishing?
The amazing Kuiper Belt
TIM: We haven’t talked much about the Kuiper belt yet, except for what we said last year, that it is a much bigger and wider belt further out in the solar system. This wider and bigger belt has only been discovered in the 1990s, and frankly, it seems we know and understand very little about it.
TINA: How big is the Kuiper Belt?
TIM: It is claimed that its width extends about 30 astronomical units, or 30 times the distance from the sun to the earth, starting beyond the orbit of Neptune and reaching far towards the outer areas of the solar system. One of the many interesting things about the Kuiper belt is that while it is like a ring, as the asteroid belt also is, it is shaped more like an ‘inflated lifesaver’.
TINA: The Kuiper belt is very wide! Isn't then the width of the Kuiper belt more or less like the average distance from the sun to the most distant planet, Neptune?
TIM: Yep. As mentioned, it extends from after Neptune towards the outskirts of the solar system.
TINA: You said that it is like an inflated lifesaver. Do you mean that it is quite thick in height?
TIM: Exactly, it would look like a doughnut more than a flat disc. I apologize for my rough description. In any case, the point is that being shaped like a lifesaver, probably it has a greater stabilizing effect, helping the solar system to maintain its balance relative to the outside environment. In addition, as it is placed near the same plane as most of the planets move, the Kuiper belt could act as a ‘great wall’ protecting the planets inside the system from being bombarded by objects external to the Kuiper belt.
TINA: Do you mean that in the case that an object would enter the solar system in the same plane or disc where the planets revolve around the sun, the object would likely first crash against the fragments in the Kuiper belt?
TIM: Exactly! If ever any extra solar object would reach the interior of the solar system, especially as if heading towards the plane in which most of the planets are, which is rare, it would have to pass first through the physical and electromagnetic great wall of the Kuiper belt in order to reach any of the planets.
TINA: Are there any extra solar objects entering the solar system? If not, what have caused all those craters in the moon and planets?
TIM: There are plenty of asteroids and fragments inside the solar system, which could have done that.
TINA: You are right! There seems to be an ample supply.
TIM: There are other possible obvious reasons why the Kuiper belt is thicker than just a disc, but it is more like a lifesaver. One of those reasons is that the outer planets are also huge, much bigger than the terrestrial inner planets.
TINA: Do you mean that for the Kuiper belt to be able to be an effective firewall around the outer planets, it would have to be higher, as the outer planets are higher also?
TIM: Exactly! The Kuiper belt is not only much thicker in height but also much wider than the other belts, which would give the planetary area of the solar system the appearance of a huge UFO inside a bubble of energy, at least like UFOs are often depicted in the media.
Possible Interactions between the Kuiper Belt and the Four Massive Planets
TINA: Do you think that the Kuiper belt could also have a function of assisting the gravitational balance of some of the planets and the solar system by realigning its fragments, as you suggested the asteroid belt could do?
TIM: It is possible.
TINA: Perhaps the Kuiper belt would be there for the benefit of the outer planets, as the inner planets already have the assistance of the asteroid belt.
TIM: You are right! As we mentioned, the four giant or outer planets are quite massive. Now, there might be times when they would all be close to each other, all in the same side of the sun, as they move through their orbits.
TINA: Do you mean that there might be times when they would all be, so to speak, ‘east of the sun’?
TIM: Yes and to have all those giants more or less together in the same side of the sun may tilt somehow the balance and stability of the solar system.
TINA: That would be as if the solar system was a ship in which most of the massive cargo is moved towards one side, either to its starboard or to the port side, which would cause the ship to tilt towards one side.
TIM: Yes, exactly. In that case, it is possible that the Kuiper belt would act as water do inside the double hull of a large ship. The water inside a double hull moves to the opposite side to which the ship is tilting, counterbalancing the rolling effect of the vessel. Likewise, it is possible the Kuiper belt will do something similar to counterbalance when several of the big planets group on the same say of the solar system.
TINA: Your suggestion would be valid if the solar system were a closed system, as you have suggested, like a bubble of energy or sphere.
TINA: And the Kuiper belt could do that by realigning its fragments?
TIM: The Kuiper belt could help in two main ways. One would be just concentrating fragments and expanding its volume in the side opposite where the planets are.
TINA: That’s more or less, what you have suggested the asteroid belt could do to counterbalance the movement of the inner planets and of Jupiter.
TIM: Yes. Another way it could be by changing its plane relative to the plane or disc where most of the planets move. In other words, the Kuiper belt in order to keep the bubble of energy of the solar system from wobbling could tilt its angle relative to the plane of the disc rising one side and lowering the opposite side, thus helping to balance the temporary concentration of giant planets in one side of the sun.
TINA: Interesting idea! To do that the plane or disc of the Kuiper belt would have to be independent of the plane in which the planets move, roughly the ecliptic plane.
TIM: Yes. Those two would have to be physically detached or disconnected the one from the other, which they are. These are of course only suggestions or possible ways the Kuiper belt could contribute to the gravitational balance of the solar system and to its stability, in order to minimize any unnecessary wobbling of the solar system as it navigates its orbit through the outer space of the solar system, what usually is called interstellar space.
TINA: If the belts would rotate around the center of the solar system in two different directions, do you think that could be beneficial.
TIM: Good question. If they do, it could be beneficial in avoiding a whirlpool effect near the core of the system, as the Asteroid belt and the Kuiper belt would generate waves in opposite directions.
Why are there so many Belts surrounding the Sun and the Planets of our Solar System?
TINA: Contrary to the ‘Standard’ views, belts could be amazingly useful! We keep discussing possible beneficial consequences of having them right where they are and the way they are.
TIM: We haven’t even mentioned the theoretical existence of another much bigger and distant belt or disc and a cloud of icy tiny planets that astronomers believe exist at about one or two light-year distance from the sun, but still inside the sphere of influence of our star, the Hills cloud and the Oort cloud.
TINA: The subject of the different belts is so interesting and there is so much to learn and to understand about them.
TIM: Yes. Both those clouds have not been discovered yet. The Hills cloud is an assumed disc, and the Oort cloud a spherical cloud, both made of tiny icy bodies or tiny planets, called planetesimals.
TINA: Do you mean that the Oort cloud would have the shape of a sphere encompassing the whole of the solar system, and shaped like a ball?
TIM: Almost and the Hills cloud would be like a disc, apparently in the same plane or close to the plane of the ecliptic, but placed between the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud.
TINA: The Oort cloud would match your suggestion that the solar system also has a spherical skin, like a bubble of energy.
TIM: Yes. I assume the Oort cloud to be placed inside the bubble of energy of the solar system, or be like part of an inner layer of it. Astronomers think that because of its great distance to the sun, the Oort cloud is gravitationally loose from the solar system’s influence and that many of its fragments are pulled or pushed by gravitational forces of passing stars or by the tidal force of the galaxy. They attribute many of the comets to have been formed in those two clouds.
TINA: Do they think that many of the tiny planetesimals in the Oort cloud are pulled out of the solar system by the gravitational pull of other stars?
TIM: Yes. In fact, astronomers have proposed the existence of the inner disc or Hills cloud, as an explanation of why the outer Oort cloud would still be intact. They claim that the inner disc keeps replenishing the tiny icy bodies that the Oort cloud loses to interstellar space. However, I don’t think that would be the case, as I believe the Oort cloud would be bound to the solar system and encased within its bubble of energy. I believe that the Oort cloud would be able to adjust its size and shape to accommodate to changes of the solar system’s outer space, what’s’ often called interstellar space.
TINA: It could be like a buffer zone or like the magnetosphere of Jupiter, that it is flattened or affected by the solar wind.
TIM: It could be something similar, but relative to factors external to the solar system.
TINA: It seems the question begs to be asked. Why are there so many of those humongous belts surrounding our sun and the planets and what influence they have in the gravitational balance of the solar system and its mechanisms? We know that the ‘Standard’ Model answer would be that they are just leftover junk and fragments from the time of the formation of the solar system or from collisions, but this seems to deserve more sophisticated and courageous thought than plain non-intelligent, stale and stuck in the box of ‘Standard’ thought and ideas.
While ‘Standard’ Model Cosmologists complain that Fragments often change Position or disappear, apparently, they have never even asked themselves why
TINA: One thing seems sure and it that all these stuff we have discussed cast long shadows about the belts being the assumed ‘Standard’ Model junk leftovers from collisions.
TIM: If we look at the asteroids and belts as an essential and irreplaceable part of the system and not as leftover junk acting weirdly, we might find some amazingly intelligent answers and facts about the solar system and further beyond.
TINA: I have one last question about this subject. Have astronomers studied why the fragments in the asteroid belt are changing position constantly?
TIM: Well, many actually ‘complain’ that it is difficult to keep track of the fragments because they are changing position often, and some of them seem to disappear, so those scientists say that it is difficult to keep track of so many ‘junk’ fragments that are acting dumbly.
TINA: It seems like an expected non-intelligent ‘Standard’ reaction!
TIM: The Quantum scientists were smarter than that, because when they perceived that particles and waves act in weird ways they couldn’t understand, apparently in random ways, they still studied them, to find out what the outcomes were and maybe why.
TINA: Do you mean, for example, establishing the existence of the uncertainty principle?
TIM: Right. As well as other ‘weird’ actions of particles and waves related to quantum mechanics.
TINA: Obviously, those Quantum researchers were searching for a rational and intelligent reason for that behavior, although they couldn’t understand it, because the behavior contradicted or didn’t match the science they have been taught.
TIM: Still, they didn't decide that the particles were some crazy leftover junk or that they were changing positions dumbly and for no reason. Instead, they studied and explained the phenomenon and their findings and explained that according to the accepted science, it doesn’t make sense but that’s what happens at that level. By being open-minded and willing to learn, they found a lot about quantum mechanics and the way particles interact. In the first decades of the last century, even Einstein, of all people, opposed their conclusions, as quantum mechanics opposed his conclusions and ideas.
TINA: Like in his statement that ‘God doesn’t play dice with the universe?’
TIM: Yea. He was right in assuming that such a careful, intelligent and meticulous God wouldn’t play dice with the universe. However, God runs the universe in ways we cannot comprehend and apparently not even Einstein could. Just because we don’t understand, it doesn’t mean that He is playing at all or that He doesn’t what He is doing.
Smart Quantum Mechanics’ Researchers
TINA: That was smart on the part of Quantum scientists, because there are so many things we don’t understand and it would be less than intelligent to classify things we don’t understand as dumb useless junk! We have discussed that in the case of the so-called dumb, ‘leftover junk’ fragments there is a possibility that the appearance and size of fragments are changed either by losing some of their ice and gases, or by acquiring more of it. In addition, they are able to change positions much faster than larger celestial bodies and while they stick to their belts, they don’t seem to have hard orbits. Therefore, the belts and the fragments would look different when observed at intervals, but it is not at all that they disappear randomly or dumbly, as there might be good reasons for their behavior.
TIM: Yes. However, when people convince themselves that they already know how everything works and why, but they find something that acts differently, they might dumbly assume that what they are observing is dumb or junk; a very poor attitude for scientists to have.
TINA: Instead of questioning themselves and their previous theories, not matter how ‘Standard’, accepted or assumedly valid they might be, they just junk anything that doesn’t fit their preconceived ideas, just like what they do to those Intelligent Design scientists. They tell them, “your studies, work and conclusions are junk and they are pseudo-scientific because they are not aligned with our ‘Standard’ science, which is the only one accepted and valid”.
TIM: Yea. People with that level of prejudice and self-aggrandizement can hardly learn or see anything of value, neither in others and apparently nor even in the whole universe. It is pitiful! Going back to the belts, some fragments seem to run ‘wildly’ all over the place. It would be necessary to observe them carefully for quite a period and track them to see what is happening to them individually and as a whole to be able to understand any patterns present in their actions.
TINA: They would have to observe the actions of the fragments in relation to what’s happening with the planets at the same time. They would need to get the greater view, the bigger picture of what’s happening, to understand the engines of the solar system.
TINA: Do they have the technological means to do that? If your assumption is correct and they are not running ‘wildly’ but intelligently in the course of their fine-tuning the gravitational balance of the inner solar system, it would be important to track them 24/7, to find out what’s the outcome. That way, they could try to find out what happens to the individual fragments, how they change, how the belts change as the planets move around the sun, and what’s their influence and contribution in keeping the gravitational balance of the solar system.
TIM: It would be a huge job but also a great study, if they have available technology able to track them for that long. However, the main obstacle to serious scientific study of the belts is not the technological constrains as much as the inability of ‘Standard’ Model astronomers to see and admit any intelligent looking mechanism and engine in the solar system. In the meantime, they spend their days dreaming of finding some dark matter at the edge of galaxies and of the universe and of recording some truly big explosions and fireworks, their favorite stellar events.
TINA: How could they dream of finding any of the assumed invisible dark matter, when they can't even see what is right in front of their eyes, in their own backyard?
TIM: That’s a big disadvantage they face and have.
TINA: It wouldn't be too hard to do, especially with the present technology. That ‘s what successful scientists have done for millennia, observe carefully, probe and analyze what they see in order to learn how things work and any possible laws or rules related to it. Why can't they do that if they want to learn? How are they going to learn anything, while they think that it is all useless junk?
TIM: Good questions.